Tuesday, 12 September 2006
... thoughts : "Quotable Confucian quotes"
Confucius says...
Book I
1. "Is it not a pleasure, having learned something, to try it out at due intervals? Is it not joy to have friends come from afar? Is it not gentlemanly not to take offence when others fail to appreciate your abilities?"
2. "It is rare, indeed, for a man with cunning words and an ingratiating face to be benevolent."
3. "In guilding a state of a thousand chariots, approach your duties with reverence and be trustworthy in what you say; avoid excesses in expenditure and love your fellow men; employ the labour of the common people only in the right seasons."
4. "A young man should be a good son at home and an obedient young man abroad, sparing of speech but trustworthy in what he says, and should love the multitude at large but cultivate the friendship of his fellow men. If he has any energy to spare from such action, let him devote it to making himself cultivated."
5. "A gentleman who lacks gravity does not inspire awe. A gentleman who studies is unlikely to be inflexible."
6 "Make it your guilding principle to do your best for others and to be trustworthy in what you say. Do not accept as friend anyone who is not as good as you."
7. "When you make a mistake, do not be afraid of mending your ways."
8. "It is not the failure of others to appreciate your abilities that should trouble you, but rather your failure to appreciate theirs."
Book II
1. "Guide them by edicts, keep them in line with punishments, and the common people will stay out of trouble but will have no sense of shame. Guide them by virtue, keep them in line with the rites, and they will, besides having a sense of shame, reform themselves."
2. "A man is worthy of being a teacher who gets to know what is new by keeping fresh in his mind what he is already familiar with."
3. (A gentleman) "He puts his words into action before allowing his words to follow his action."
4. "If one learns from others but does not think, one will be bewildered. If, on the other hand, one thinks but does not learn from others, one will be in peril."
5. "To say you know when you know, and to say you do not when you do not, that is knowledge."
6. "Raise the straight and set them over the crooked and the common people will look up to you. Raise the crooked and set them over the straight and the common people will not look up to you."
7. "Rule over them with dignity and they will be reverent; treat them with kindness and they will do their best; raise the good and instruct those who are backward and they will be imbued with enthusiasm."
8. "Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows as lack of courage."
Book III
1. "With the rites, it is better to err on the side of frugality than on the side of extravagance; in mourning, it is better to err on the side of grief than on the side of formality."
2. "What can I find worthy of note in a man who is lacking in tolerance when in high position, in reverence when performing the rites and in sorrow when in mourning?"
Book IV
1. "Of neighbourhoods benevolence is the most beautiful. How can the man be considered wise who, when he has the choice, does not settle in benevolence?"
2. "If a man sets his heart on benevolence, he will be free from evil."
3. "In his errors a man is true to type. Observe the errors and you will know the man."
4. "There is no point in seeking the views of a Gentleman who, though he sets his heart on the Way, is ashamed of poor food and poor clothes."
5. "In his dealings with the world the gentleman is not invariably for or against anything. He is on the side of what is moral."
6. "While the gentleman cherishes benign rule, the small man cherishes his native land. While the gentleman cherishes a respect for the law, the small man cherishes generous treatment."
7. "If one is guided by profit in one's actions, one will incur much ill will."
8. "If a man is able to govern a state by observing the rites and showing deference, what difficulties will he have in public life? If he is unable to govern a state by observing the rites and showing deference, what good are the rites to him?"
9. "Do not worry because you have no official position. Woarry about your qualifications. Do not worry beause no one appreciates your abilities. Seek to be worthy of appreciation."
10. "The gentleman understands what is moral. The small man understands what is profitable."
11. "When you meet someone better than yourself, turn your thoughts to becoming his equal. When you meet someone not as good as you are, look within and examine your own self."
12. "When your parents are alive, you should not go too far afield in your travels. If you do, your whereabouts should always be known."
13. "A man should not be ignorant of the age of his father and mother. It is a matter, on the one hand, for rejoicing and, on the other, for anxiety."
14. "In antiquity men were loath to speak. This was because they counted it shameful if their person failed to keep up with their words."
15. "It is rare for a man to miss the mark through holding on to essentials."
16. "The gentleman desires to be halting in speech but quick in action."
17. "Virtue never stands alone. It is bound to have neighbours."
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Quote 4 - I put that up on my homepage. ;)
ReplyDeleteCan you post the Chinese text for Book II No 3 ( The gentleman)?
ReplyDeleteShould be 2.13
ReplyDelete子貢問君子。子曰:「先行其言,而後從之。」
I like the quote in Book 1 No 7. "When you make a mistake, do not be afraid of mending your ways." and also Book 2 No 8. "Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows as lack of courage."
ReplyDeleteFailure makes you better, Success makes you worse. - Wang Enlai
ReplyDeleteTolerance is the hallmark of noble-mindedness.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if anyone has the Chinese text for this?
Thanks Francois. When do you start learning Chinese?
ReplyDelete3. "In guilding a state of a thousand chariots, approach your duties with reverence and be trustworthy in what you say; avoid excesses in expenditure and love your fellow men; employ the labour of the common people only in the right seasons."
ReplyDeleteThis is food for thought for those in biz..
But I like this better:
8. "It is not the failure of others to appreciate your abilities that should trouble you, but rather your failure to appreciate theirs."
I was feeling a little down two months ago when my performance appraisals came out Good. Everybody gets Good. Good is so common. To me Good is satisfactory. I think I did an Excellent job for the whole of last year, especially when the company decides to cut cost and make us do two persons' work. I deserves an Excellent, if not Above Good, but there was no such rate.
Well maybe I should look at the glass in a different angle.
Don't be so discouraged. The economic is still bad. One person do two person jobs is very common nowadays. There are others getting the same pay but have to do three-four persons jobs.All I can say is do your very best.
ReplyDeleteHey, Moon, no worries, surely they will recognized your performance... it might not happen this year, but hey, there is still next year and the year after... no way with Excellent performances, you will not get recognized. Go for it... and chin up. You can do it.
ReplyDeleteMoon, if it's any consolation, all of us here think you're super-duper mom! ;)
ReplyDelete卷二 里仁第四 子曰:“父母在,不远游。游必有方。”
ReplyDeleteAs translated from http://afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=Lunyu&no=85
A son not ought to go to a distance where he will not be able to pay the due services to his parents.
The Master said, "While his parents are alive, the son may not go abroad to a distance. If he does go abroad, he must have a fixed place to which he goes."
Snowy: while I don't expect to find agreement with all the ideas of Confucius, this is one area which I find the old Sage was being rather ... unfair, or unreasonable.
Confucius himself lost his parents at relatively young age (his mother when he was still quite a young man, I'm not sure if he ever knew his father.). Thus, he himself did not bear the burden of being confined geographically when he was still learning and developing his own ideas.
During the Spring Autumn period, extensive travelling was the best way for a person to really broaden his horizons and his minds. No one could achieve anything useful simply by staying at home and reading books and receiving instructions from no matter how good a teacher.
Yeah thanks everyone for cheering me up.
ReplyDeleteActually I was not complaining even though I am doing three persons job, and d*** well too. Just feel a little unfair (and disappointed) thats all. The fact is I am so independent in my work and I dont need any supervision that nobody (include my boss) knows what I have been doing except my colleagues that I have working relations with. I just have this feeling of being taken granted of.. thats all.
One will only feel hurt if he or she has done her best but still not appreciated. One will not feel any hurt if he or she was never up the mark.
Of course I will still do the work all right. I have a motto I would like to share with you all. My motto is: If I dont like the company, I either quit, or stay on. If I choose to stay on, then be good and perform to my best. Thats my motto in all my working life. Its the employers' market nowadays, many people will be queueing for my post if I decide to quit.
I am looking at the bright side since then, that I have freedom. (yes because the fact that I can still make time to sneak in CHF and Multiply once in a while in a day means my job is still not so taxing, either that or I am super efficient and fast worker). Hehe! Ok thats for cheering myself up!
Actually I read it a little differently. Confucius wasn't being narrow-minded, but rather was emphasizing one's responsibility to care for one's parents.
ReplyDelete... Or perhaps I prefer to interprete it as such...
"While your parents are alive, you should not go too far afield in your travels. If you do, your whereabouts should always be made known."
That is reasonable interpretation, but I still do not agree with the approach.
ReplyDeleteNever mind the practical challenges of keeping one's parents constantly updated on one's movements (back in those days), the imposition of limitations on one's physical mobility in the pursuit of advancing oneself creates invisible barriers to one's personal development.
Certainly, a man will have responsibilities towards his parents. Not only his parents, but also his wife and children.
From one perspective, it would be better for one to travel afar while one's parents are not in their old age, when they were better able to take care of themselves. The downside is of course, one also risk leaving them without support (if one was an only son) if one got oneself killed outside.
But on the other hand, by the time the man's parents passed away, the man might well have a family, and his absence or mishap would impact his growing children no less significantly, not to mention leaving his wife to bear the burden of leading the family by herself.
One of Confucius' disciple, Zeng Zi (曾参), became an established teacher in his own right and founded his own school. Zeng Zi criticised one of his own student, Wu Qi, for leaving home in pursuit of studies, simply because Wu Qi's mother was still alive. Later, when Wu Qi merely cried upon receipt of his mother's passing, Zeng Zi kicked him out of the school for not returning to mourn for the mother.
Another disciple of Confucius, Zi Lu (子路), was famous for his expressed filial piety. He was among those who accompanied the Sage during the latter's travels. Either his parents died earlier (Zi Lu was only 9 years younger than Confucius), or he also left his parents during that stage in his life. Probably the former,
The way Confucius approached the subject made the whole issue rather dogmatic, without considerations of actual circumstances.
I don't blame him for subsequent generations of Confucianists' dogmatism, using the teaching to villify any son who left his parents behind in pursuit of advancement (actually, it was just an excuse).
But as I see it, Confucius himself might not be aware that he was making the issue of whether one is able to travel afar in pursuit of advancement to be a matter of whether chancy timing of one's parents' passing.
Whether one is to travel afar should be a choice made after careful considerations of one's circumstances, the financial state, healths of family and ability to care for themselves etc., all factors. And in all practicality, no one can actually take care of everything 100%.
Whether one has to make a sacrifice on the part of one's advancement for the sake of parents, or the other way around, would ultimately be a matter of personal choice, preferrably with full consultation with all family members.
The way Confucius phrased it left no room for such choice, regardless of actual circumstances of the family.
Like his quote on the desirability of women to be without talent, Confucius (unwittingly) laid a snare for future generations. I don't agree with this particular statement even if it is just meant as a general guideline or kindly advise.
That's the problem with words becoming dogma, when people stop thinking and rely purely on the sanctity of the words.
ReplyDeleteConfucius is and was a teacher. No one totally agrees with his/her teacher. That's not a teacher's role. The only difference between Confucius and your old school teacher is that he is no longer around to argue and reply to you so you are left wondering how firm or in what context his comments were made.
Thomas Chen made a similar comment to me yesterday in my office. He said he doesn't like Confucius because of the strict over emphasis on rites. My reply was that he has to see Confucius in context. Confucius lived during a chaotic period when most people would be looking for stability. Call them rites, call them rules, call them laws... almost all the schools at the time called for order of some sort or other to bring back harmony and peace to a war-weary people. If we literally took that call for more rites into our world today, you'll get what? A ridiculously strict straightjacketing of customs and rites to no apparent reason... but take that back 2500 years and suddenly the reasons become clearer...
If there is one good thing the Sage did, it was to emphasise moral development starting at the level of the individual.
ReplyDeleteAs for the parent thing, it is my belief that times have changed. We have email, jet planes, phones etc., so what's to hold back a child from venturing abroad, other than mere Confucian stricture?
Again, you must read confucian teachings with the times. It is BECAUSE we now have email, jet planes, phones etc. that we can now go further and yet keep in close contact with our parents and responsibilities. There is no "confucian stricture" that is hloding us back here. You must see beyond the mere words little one.
ReplyDeleteActually, if something is really significant, it will not change with times.
ReplyDeleteAssuming the reasoning behind Confucius' words was to remind children of their filial duties even as they pursue personal development, the lesson remain as relevant to as 2,500 years ago, technological advancement does not change that a bit.
So what if there is email, phones and jet planes?
What is of significance is the attitude of the person.
If the person is indifferent, there is no difference whether he is in the same city as his parents.
Otherwise, even if the person is across the globe, he will take measures to ensure he is well-informed of the parents' situations and their well-being is taken care of.
Having said that, taking personal care of the elders might be the best.
But this also has to be weighed with the question of whether at the particular point in time, it was really necessary to do so and sacrifice other important things in the process.
Look at it this way - sure it'd be good to be home early from work and see the parents more.
But is it really necessary to do it on a daily basis to the extent that one merely does one's job perfunctorily and as a result, stops one's career development in the process?
My conclusion is that what is important does not change with time nor technology.
We must see the *essence* rather than the *form* when examining any teachings or words.
The form can change, but what is fundamental will not.
precisely. The lesson is on responsibility and not whether you can travel far or not.
ReplyDeleteI see your point, mon cher. This lil one needs the advice and wisdom of her elders to guide her for a while yet. ;)
ReplyDelete1986, classical a little bit later..
ReplyDeleteYour office seems to have become a CHF drop-in centre :D
ReplyDeleteA valid point, though rather than just wondering, we could also look at his other discourses and comments on conduct of filial piety to come to a reasonable deduction of Confucius' disposition.
ReplyDeleteI think I posted something in CHF on Confucius' conversation on whether one ought to observe the customary 3 years of mourning and deprive oneself of all comforts.
Thank goodness I am not a Confusionist.
ReplyDeleteNo, you're not a confusionist, but you're trying to confuse us all the same.
ReplyDeleteHehehe yeah...I was thinking of dropping by to pay mon cher a surprise visit, but decided against the inevitable heart attack and chaos I would bring in my wake!! XDDDD
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Confucius, some of you might have read of a post I made in CHF quite long ago on the Koi Garden in Suntec City Convention Centre in Singapore. One of the signs put up at the Koi Garden claimed Confucius was presented with a carp from king of Persia for the birth of his first son.
ReplyDeleteQuite ridiculous - in historical accounts, it was the ruler of the State of Lu (Lu Zhao Gong) who gave him the carp, and Confucius named his first son Kong Li as a result. Bringing Persia into the story was just too way out.
This week, Suntec is the venue of IMF/WB meetings. I made several efforts to contact Suntec to bring to their attention to the boo-boo, but so far, they just don't seem interested. Singaporeans can be just so pathetic, and apathetic.
No, we are just lazy, bo chap, tita apa, lacksadaisical...you name it...
ReplyDeleteThank God then! I can now leave Singapore's shores without feeling an undue burden or responsibility to my parents. There are, after all, 8 of us...
ReplyDeleteSend in our Confusionist who I suspect is a latent Confucianist, to straighten out the Confusing Confucian misquote!
ReplyDeleteIt's tidak apa, not tita apa ... oh never mind ...
ReplyDeleteOh well, that's how I hear it being pronounced, so...*shrug*
ReplyDelete(Yet another example of bo chap and TIDAK apa)
:P
I'm sure you are quite self-motivated to improve yourself all the time.
ReplyDeleteYou don't sing "Mali kita ..." instead of "Mari kita ...", do you?
Come come, drop the charade of being indifferent and show us that frighteningly serious no-nonsense image of the swordmaiden ...
I have to admit, I am a romaniser's worst nightmare because where Cantonese is concerned, I don't stick to the accepted Jyutping or Yale. I romanise sounds the way I hear them, and what I think is the closest English spelling I can come up with.
ReplyDeleteAs for Majulah Singapura, never will I commit such a travesty!! ;)
Ok, Little Mok morphs back into the frighteningly serious no-nonsense swordmaiden... :P
Hehe, you should avoid visiting Sentosa, otherwise you might catch the *Legend of the Merlion* and how this legendary creature protected Singapore in the past.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I heard the Shaw Brothers had a hand in this infernal tale? <_<
ReplyDeleteReally, why whould the SBs do that? I though it was something cooked up by the STB, it was truly horrendous, and just imagine the million of so tourists every year trudging through Sentosa and going back to their countries and telling everyone about the Legend of the Merlion... my skin crawls just thinking about it.
ReplyDeleteUr, the non-Confusionist
Truly I prefer the version, where we Singaporean, used the fish head for fish head curry and replaced a lion head to the fish... the version in Sentosa is dreadful and use only to hoodwink unsuspecting tourist and our little kids.... euu... what a horrible thought.
ReplyDeleteI don't remember the story but I did remember laughing my head off!
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean. My jaw dropped open and I was about to tear into the tour guide (verbally) when she spouted that abomination. Merlion, indeed. Humph!
ReplyDeleteMok, the pissed-off swordsmaiden
Oh dear, if you want to learn proper Malay trying to pick it up by listening to Malay colleagues might not be a good choice. The papers were just lamenting about the standards of spoken Malay locally some weeks back.
ReplyDeleteEh, no. I heard that from Chinese people, aka my parents. lololol
ReplyDeleteXDD
Spoken malay, like spoken english and spoken mandarin, is full of localised flavour. In malay we call that bahasa pasar or "Market Language". Self explanatory I think.
ReplyDeleteOh, I got no issues with posting info based on local legends and folklores, like stories of ghost at London Tower or Meng Jiang Nü at the Great Wall.
ReplyDeleteBut the story of Confucius and the carp from Persia was not based on any legend, but rather, from the checks I did and feedback from other CHF members, an inept researcher's mistake on an actual historical account.
Somehow, the person who wrote the piece jumped to the conclusion that the gift to Confucius from King Shoko of Ro (a Japanese rendition of Lu Zhao Gong) was a Persian king.
That, to me, is the epitome of poor scholarship, research and total ineptness.
That does it, the Malaysians are laughing at us. I am starting a peitition to have that... that... ugh, removed. I will going around for your signatures.
ReplyDeleteWait, I *have not* heard about the Legend of Merlion, so I got no idea whether it is based on some legends or made-up for some National Day float Parade. I did recall some National Day Float Parade story being narrated - the story invented the very year - about the origins of some mythical creatures, but it was so ... *bleah* ... I did not bother listening.
ReplyDeleteYes, I know they are different. In this case, the Legend of the Merlion is not even based on any local legend or folklore. It is entirely made-up. Complete with cheesy CG effects.
ReplyDeleteIt is lamentable about the boo-boo at Suntec though. We should blog about it.
You have not heard it? Truly are you blessed.
ReplyDeleteAnd really, unlike legends where you might get a variety of versions, the giver of carp to Confucius, who named his first son Kong Li, was actually recorded in history.
ReplyDeleteSomehow, the idea of visiting a statue of the Merlion a few storeys high, complete with fiendish red eyes, never appealled to me whenever I do go to Sentosa. I assume that's where the story was narrated?
ReplyDeleteNow I know there's a bigger joke in Sentosa than the touting of Sunset Beach as Baywatch.
Nope. The merlion is a pure marketing creature.
ReplyDeleteYes. I went there only because I was with some foreigners who naturally insisted on going there.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that irks me is that they thought it necessary to cook up a legend, when Singapore does have its own legends and folklore to draw on. Little of which is present on Blakang Mati
Let me help you get your petition going.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I will sign the petition - fully support you on this.... cannot imagine why come up with a silly tale, leaves us looking extremely foolish.
ReplyDeletePulau Balakang Mati - guess, the name is kind of frightening, not surprised they changed it... this I can live with... but if we retained the name - maybe they checked with a geomancer that the name must go! ;-)
"Pulau Balakang Mati" ;) Or in today's modern Malay spelling, "Pulau Belakang Mati".
ReplyDeleteI think the name is cool! Imagine the theme park we could have had....
Dead back or Back dead? Wonder how it goes down with the people?
ReplyDeleteErrh...isn't Mati supposed to mean die or dead? Like, you mati already? XDDD
ReplyDeleteyup... so which kind of dead?
ReplyDeleteIt means "Island behind Death".
ReplyDeletehow about Death Island?
ReplyDeleteIt's not Pulau Mati but Pulau Belakang Mati
ReplyDelete"Nope. The merlion is a pure marketing creature."
ReplyDelete:( but-but it's very mythical!
Island of back deaths? or Island of dead backs?
ReplyDeleteIsland of back deaths? or Island of dead backs?
ReplyDeleteIsland of back deaths? or Island of dead backs?
ReplyDeleteI told you already. It's Island Behind the Dead or Behind Death.
ReplyDeleteYa... I suppose Behind is better than back... ok... Island Behind Death XD
ReplyDeleteI wonder why it has such an interesting name. There's probably a story in there somewhere. Maybe it's a Malay burial ground. Or the legendary home of a gateway into HELL....
ReplyDeletefengdu :), island behind death = s'pore?
ReplyDeleteThe best interpretation I've seen is "Island where Death stalks from behind".
ReplyDeleteNope, just a little lsland off Singapore, part of Singapore, a place where we will soon get our spanking new casino and an Integrated Resort, just another name for money squeezer. Incidentally, the little Death island is now call Sentosa. ;-)
ReplyDeleteNice, safe... boring Sentosa.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you expect? Taman Negara?
ReplyDeleteHey, my uncle organises short incursions to Taman Negara, Pahang (2-3 day stays). Anyone interested? Must go in a group. He'll arrange the guide and lodging. It's suitable even for kids, adults and old people alike.
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