As discussed over tea and biscuits at the SG Science Center last Saturday, we'll see if we can put together our own list of Seven wonders of the Ancient Chinese world.
We want to get the top Seven wonders of the Ancient Chinese world based popular opinion here within our group.
We'll define the "Ancient Chinese" world the Tang dynasty and older, ie. A.D.907 and older.
The wonder doesn't have to exist anymore, so long as you can show that it once existed.
We'll use the UNESCO 10 point definition for a world wonder as a guide for our game.
1) to represent a masterpiece of human creative genius;
2) to exhibit an important interchange of human values, over a span of time or within a cultural area of the world, on developments in architecture or technology, monumental arts, town-planning or landscape design;
3) to bear a unique or at least exceptional testimony to a cultural tradition or to a civilization which is living or which has disappeared;
4) to be an outstanding example of a type of building, architectural or technological ensemble or landscape which illustrates (a) significant stage(s) in human history;
5) to be an outstanding example of a traditional human settlement, land-use, or sea-use which is representative of a culture (or cultures), or human interaction with the environment especially when it has become vulnerable under the impact of irreversible change;
6) to be directly or tangibly associated with events or living traditions, with ideas, or with beliefs, with artistic and literary works of outstanding universal significance. (The Committee considers that this criterion should preferably be used in conjunction with other criteria);
7) to contain superlative natural phenomena or areas of exceptional natural beauty and aesthetic importance;
8) to be outstanding examples representing major stages of earth's history, including the record of life, significant on-going geological processes in the development of landforms, or significant geomorphic or physiographic features;
9) to be outstanding examples representing significant on-going ecological and biological processes in the evolution and development of terrestrial, fresh water, coastal and marine ecosystems and communities of plants and animals;
10) to contain the most important and significant natural habitats for in-situ conservation of biological diversity, including those containing threatened species of outstanding universal value from the point of view of science or conservation."
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If you want to play, do the following;
1. create a blog on your multiply page labelled "7 Wonders of the Ancient Chinese World - My Top 5" (Just choose 5. We'll select the top 7 after collecting everyone's posts)
2. carefully select what you think is your top three choices for inclusion in the list.
3. support your selection with pictures (where possible), and a short paragraph or two to explain what it is and why you support it.
4. go explore other people's blogs with the same title and discuss their selections with them.
5. defend your choices from other players
6. feel free to amend and change your selections after discussion with other people
7. when sufficient people have played and have selected their top 5 wonders, we'll end the game and collect the votes and hopefully, put together the top 7 Wonders of the Ancient Chinese World.
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Ok, since I'm also playing, I'll also post my top three here.....
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My preliminary selections....
1. 大石桥 Great Stone Bridge
Oldest Segmental Arch Bridge in the World
A.D. 610
A conceptual breakthrough occurred when a Chinese engineer realized that an arch did not have to be a semi-circle. A bridge could be built which was based not on the traditional semi-circular arch but on what is known as a segmental arch. The way to envisage this is to imagine a gigantic circle embedded in the ground, of which only the tip shows above ground level. This tip is a segment of a circle, and the arch it forms is a segmental arch. Bridges built in this way take less material and are stronger than ones built as semi-circular arches.
This advance took place in China in the seventh century AD. It was the concept of Li Chun, the founder of an entire school of constructional engineering whose influence lasted for many centuries. We are fortunate that his first great bridge, built in 610, survives intact and is still very much in use today. Called the Great Stone Bridge, it spans the Jiao river near Zhaoxian at the foot of the Shanxi Mountains on the edge of the North China Plain.
Four small whole arches were incorporated within the structure of the main bridge. They were an innovation of great consequence in bridgebuilding, for they were the world's first arched spandrels. Li Chun found that by punching these holes in the ends of the bridge he could accomplish several things at once: flood waters could rush through them, lessening the chance that the main bridge would be swept away at its supports in a sudden flood; the total weight of the bridge could be lessened, thereby diminishing the tendency to buckle by the ends sinking down into the river banks; and vast quantities of material could be saved, which would normally have gone to make solid ends for the bridge.
The Great Stone Bridge has a span of 37.5 metres. The largest surviving Roman whole arch bridge, the Pont Saint Martin near Aosta, spans 35.5 metres. But the average whole arch Roman bridge spanned between 18 and 25 metres, whereas whole arches in Roman aqueducts had an average span of about 6 metres.
2. 大运河 Grand Canal
ca. 5th century B.C. - 7th century A.D.
The Grand Canal of China is the world's oldest and longest canal, far surpassing the next two grand canals of the world: Suez and Panama Canal. It passes through the cities of Beijing and Tianjin and the provinces of Hebei, Shandong, Jiangsu and Zhejiang. The oldest parts of the canal date back to the 5th century BC.
The building of the canal began in 486 B.C. during the Wu Dynasty. It was extended during the Qi Dynasty, and later by Emperor Yangdi of Sui Dynasty during six years of furious construction from 605-610 AD.
The canal is 1,795 km (1,114 miles) long with 24 locks and some 60 bridges.
3. 长城 Qin Great Wall
ca. 220 - 200 B.C.
The Chinese were already familiar with the techniques of wall-building by the time of the Spring and Autumn Period, which began around the 8th century BC. During the Warring States Period from the 5th century BC to 221 BC, the states of Qi, Yan and Zhao all constructed extensive fortifications to defend their own borders. Built to withstand the attack of small arms such as swords and spears, these walls were made mostly by stamping earth and gravel between board frames.
Qin Shi Huang conquered all opposing states and unified China in 221 BC, establishing the Qin Dynasty. Intending to impose centralized rule and prevent the resurgence of feudal lords, he ordered the destruction of the wall sections that divided his empire along the former state borders. To protect the empire against intrusions by the Xiongnu people from the north, he ordered the building of a new wall to connect the remaining fortifications along the empire's new northern frontier. Transporting the large quantity of materials required for construction was difficult, so builders always tried to use local resources. Stones from the mountains were used over mountain ranges, while rammed earth was used for construction in the plains. There are no surviving historical records indicating the exact length and course of the Qin Dynasty walls. Most of the ancient walls have eroded away over the centuries, and very few sections remain today. Later, the Han, Sui, Northern and Jin dynasties all repaired, rebuilt, or expanded sections of the Great Wall at great cost to defend themselves against northern invaders.
4. Qin Shihuang's 12 Bronze Statues
ca. 221 B.C.
After unifying China, the Emperor set about disarming his former enemies. He ordered his subordinates to collect and confiscate weapons from all over China, where he had them melted down and recast into huge statues. There were 12 of those bronze statues; curiously, they were made to resemble strange giant humanoid creatures sighted in 221 BCE in Lingtiao. These were his monument to peace.
5. Baosi's Tower to the Stars
ca. 1046 B.C.
The King of Shang, desperate to impress his favourite concubine, begun the construction of a "Tower to the Stars" because Baosi wanted to touch the stars. The empire was mobilised into the greatest construction project the country had ever seen. The Imperial treasury was emptied to build the tower. But still, Baosi did not smile.
On day the king took Baosi to Lishan Mountains west of Xian. Hoping to please Baosi, the king ordered the alarm beacon fire lit. The beacons relayed across the country, lighting one after another summoning the vassal lords from the ends of the empire to the aid of the King. When the vassal troops gathered at the foot of Lishan they found no sign nor sound of battle. Turning to head home, the gathered army left, very angry at the king, but for the first time since entering the King's palace, Baosi found this hilarious and laughed! King You was so pleased that after that he took Baosi often to Lishan to light the beacon fire. Baosi laughed and smiled as she watched the beacons light up in relay and the vassal armies gathered time and again, until they stopped coming.
6. Anlan Suspension Bridge, Dujiangyan
World's oldest "true" suspension bridge
ca. A.D. 300
First constructed ca. A.D. 300, the Anlan Suspension Bridge crosses the Minjiang River bestriding the water of the Inner Canal and Outer Canal to connect Erwang Temple with the Dujiangyan Irrigation System. Anlan Suspension Bridge has been around since ancient times, when it was known as Zhupu Bridge. During the Song Dynasty, it was rebuilt and called Pingshi Bridge. Pingshi Bridge was destroyed in the war at the end of Ming Dynasty.
on it, on it...
ReplyDeletewow finally, ON la!
ReplyDeleteI will play this, cant play the chess game... because dont know how..cant play English chess, cant play Chinese chess.. *blush*...........................
sorry, the thing is up to Tang Dynasty yes... end of Tang Dynasty yes?
ReplyDeleteI already have two in mind which I think deserves the honour, and every Chinese knows - Qin Shihuang's mausoleum & terracotta and Great Wall... now the third?..... researching..... researching .....................
ReplyDeleteEnd of Tang or beginning of Tang? You guys decide. I'm ok either way. I didn't include Tang because I just don't see the Tang as "ancient".
ReplyDeletehmmm... I will go to the end of Tang...
ReplyDeleteok then. Up to and including the Tang.
ReplyDeleteMy top three will be 1) Han & Tang dynasties Silk Road 2) Xuanzang 3) Dunhuang Mogao Grottoes & Library .
ReplyDeleteI will put it in two blogs:--
1) Silkroad ---- http://kroraina.multiply.com
2) Xuanzang & Dunhuang -- http://dunhuangstudies.multiply.com
Ok , guys, I'll start the game tomorrow!
Ah... good one. Silk route is a good candidate, so is the Dunhuang Grottoes.
ReplyDeletePost in your blog so we can discuss.
For Silk Road, I probably select the title ' Sogdians' ---they are the most important merchants in Silk Road. Though their homeland is in Samarkand ( now Uzebekistan ) but they have an very important role between the east and west. They left many trace marks in China , one of them is in Bei lin ( stone tablets ) in Xi'an.
ReplyDeleteI have a set of vedios ( in English & Cantonese ) by NHK & China film in the early 1980s . The team were so lucky to find there are still Sogdians living at that time.
And as for Dunhuang, I'll probably do a summary of each dynasty include the discovery of the Secret Library and two famous western professionals 1) Sir Aurel Stein ( representing the British Museum ) and 2) Paul Pelliot ( French sinologist ).
And why I decide to choose Xuanzang is because 1) he have great contribution
to Buddhism and 2) his famous book " The Great Tang Record of The Western Region " --his detailed recorded which help both modern historian and archaeologists looking for the lost cities of Silk Road. 3) contribute to some parts of history of India.
Sounds good except for Xuanzang. You can't chose a person as a wonder... at least not according to the UNESCO 10 criteria.
ReplyDeleteok. Then I can choose Big Goose Pagoda ( da yan ta ) in Xi'an. Li Shimin built it especially for him to translate all the sanskirts manuscripts which he brought back from India,
ReplyDeleteIt's now a famous tourist attractions and a significant landmark for Buddhism and historian.
oi, put up in your blog your choices! Cannot count like this lah.... all you need is to copy the title from the dear boy here and then, write out your preference.... and then wait for Gamemaster to look over your shoulders.
ReplyDeleteok .check the UNESCO website. Then I select from the UNESCO China Heritage sites.
ReplyDeletehttp://whc.unesco.org/en/statesparties/cn
Revised my selection --
1) Silk Road ( Chinese section --1) Shaanxi 2) Gansu 3) Xinjiang
2) Dunhuang Mogao Grottoes / Library
3) Ancient city of Loulan
I need to confirm the selection first before putting up my blog.
ReplyDeleteaiyah... just put up lah... not like this is an examination, this is a game, and truly there is no right or wrong answer... See, I never confirm with him, and then when he said not ok, I just change.... in any case, as long as you are able to support your selection, there is really no problem.
ReplyDeleteya man. You donwan to put up on your blog first but then put here and mess up my blog. haiya! This blog is meant for people to discuss my 3 top choices lah, not discuss your 3 top choices lah.
ReplyDeletewahaha! mess up lil' brother's blog some more.. fun! mine got to hold.. got to read up some more.... will put up details and hopefully, pictures too.
ReplyDelete;-)
Mess, mess! :P
ReplyDeletewait... wait... I bring my feather duster out....
ReplyDeleteya...I'll help you to clean it up ?????
ReplyDeleteOnce I post it I'll paste the link here so that it will be easier for you guys.
ReplyDeleteyou can help collect the nightsoil buckets to be emptied.
ReplyDeletehehehe.... tehehehe.... what is going to be next.... nightsoil in LJM's blog... what else will we see here... kekeke
ReplyDeleteoi, Bro, I just remember, you should also set a deadline lah... if you wait until next year also won't get the wonders out..
ReplyDeleteleave it open 1 month or so lah. We talking about this remember? Don't want to end the game so quickly like the Colours game.
ReplyDeleteyes a deadline.. but not too soon, so we can change our minds very quickly in case some archaeologists find something great next week...
ReplyDeletemaybe can increase to "MY Top Four or Five" for extension of deadline...
Actually that's a good idea. Maybe make it Top 5 instead of Top 3. We can put more stuff in so there'll be more discussion and stuff.
ReplyDeleteOk. GAMEMASTER says that game now amended to TOP 5. Those who have already started, pls amend your blogs to Top 5 instead of Top 3.
ReplyDeleteGreat.. then I must include Silk Route..
ReplyDeleteI am going to kill you!!
ReplyDeletewtf??!!
ReplyDeleteexcuse me., I don't have so much time for five ! I'll stick to my original three and if I've spare time, I will add another two.
ReplyDeleteI'll start with dunhuang first, this is a draft.
http://dunhuangstudies.multiply.com/journal/item/131
I am so sorry everyone.. I suggested 5 because I thought we can take our own sweet time doing the Wonders since the deadline has been extended too.
ReplyDeleteTake heart, we can take our time to do the other two Wonders... we actualy don't have to rush through this game. I am actually quite enjoying this because I am taking the opportunity to learn when I do the research.
However if all don't fancy the idea of additional 2 Wonders, than I am sure our dear GameMaster dont mind bringing the Wonders down to 3 again..
My apologies.. *duck!* .. ;-P
It's ok, Moon,you can still continue your top 5 because I don't think I've time to do 5. I want more detailed so I need to get references from my books.
ReplyDeletetis, fine Moon, I have done mine... see, it is always good to have standbys... hehehe... I guess, it needs some work, but unlikely I would change mine.... I am truly having fun now.
ReplyDeletelady, no need to put up detail blog or pictures for the other 2 wonders. You can just name 2 more that you think deserves the 'Wonder' title. In fact its the name of the item or place that count for the votes, not the blog or the pics.
ReplyDeletei did a detail one to jazz up and spice up my site, thats all. Quite fun actually.
True, true, just put up your blog lah, lady, still waiting leh... no need to jazz it up... but if you could, then, we learn a lot more lah... as for dear Moon, have checked yours, and it is kind of cool.
ReplyDelete----
*looked around to see if Game Master would clobber my head for ''jazzing up" his blog* teheehee.
Beside the game, I also need to do one special project for my own blog.
ReplyDeleteSure, its ok, there is no obligation.. after all this is just a game. no hard feelings.
ReplyDeleteShaolin Temple ,were Chinese Martial Arts was born,Wudang ,Emei shall included too .
ReplyDeleteSimon. Where's your Top 5?
ReplyDeletei will put later.
ReplyDeleteI bet I know what he would put up... hehehe... all the home base of Chinese Martial Arts.
ReplyDeletethanks centaur... initially i put up bell chimes, but not according to the Euro-rules, so cannot pass the mark... finally decided on The Grand Canal, Silk Road, Great Wall and Qin Shihuang's Warriors (Terracottas). Still have to search for one more..
ReplyDeleteMy knowledge on China history not very sound, so must spend time to read up....
Moon, all the topics you choose requires a lot of reading.....
ReplyDeleteThats the whole idea, lady.. ;-)
ReplyDeleteU see, i am that kind of person that requires a lot of pushing, otherwise i tend to procrastinate... so this game provides me with the opportunity to read up..better still, instead of copy and paste a link, i like to type if i can find the source from books. When i type, i will read every word, otherwise i tend to jump paragraphs... speed reading.
;-P
GameMaster awards 2 brownie points to Player Moon for her dedication and observance of Game rules.
ReplyDeletewa..... thank you GameMaster *bow*
ReplyDeleteok, still can't quite decide on my top five but I've tentatively put in a very controversial one...
ReplyDeleteActually I quite like it being 5 instead of 3 for two very good reasons.
ReplyDelete1. If we just kept it at three, we're going to be stuck with a lot of blogs all pretty much listing the same things... ie. greatwall, grand canal etc.
2. Raising it to 5 makes the game more difficult. Most people actually need to think since I don't think there are many of us who can actually name more than 3 large ancient monuments from China.... let alone 5. This way, we'll get a much wider list to finally choose the top 7 wonders from.
Ah, Oh Great GameMaster *going on knees and bow* we need to send more invitations to join in our games... responses are still lacking... including people who had promised to put a write up, but still no sign of it... tsk tsk tsk.
ReplyDeleteI think the game is too much work for most people....
ReplyDeleteyes. I only spare one hour every day to do the blog.
ReplyDeleteAh found it. World's oldest existing "true" suspension bridge. Build ca. A.D. 300, Anlan Suspension Bridge, Dujiangyan
ReplyDeleteDu-jiang-yan 都江堰, in Chengdu. I and Centaur skip this tourist spot though the history dated back 2000 years old. Only you will appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteAnd I still remember we were given a free lunch which include the wonderful catfish from Minjiang 岷江.
Just to let you know there's no need to put ' River' after Minjiang. I noticed it the same problem in newspaper.
A pity. I would have hoped other people would appreciate it too. Every single suspension bridge in the world, Golden Gate Bridge etc. came from this ancestor. This was the very first cable-stay suspension bridge... a true testimony to Chinese Engineer, 1700 years ago.
ReplyDeleteummm, I would have loved being suspended in the air, but then, at Chengdu, I guess I am not still not quite ready yet. :)
ReplyDeleteMy point is that this really is a wonder. The Pyramids if you think about it, is just a stack of stones... albeit very large stack of stones. This bridge on the other hand, is a suspension bridge. We're still using and building suspension bridges in exactly the same way and with the same principles today. And we built this Anlan bridge, 17 centuries ago. Only the material used today is different.
ReplyDeleteThink about it for a while.
ok, gave it some minutes - like 3 minutes ;-) you could put it up as your selection. I would certainly think it qualifies as a wonder...:-)
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